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and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left-wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today. if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they, they can't even accept what used to be considered centrist mainstream positions on these issues. now i remain optimistic, i'm just a congenital optimist, that eventually people kind of see the light. winston churchill used to say that we americans, we try every other option before we finally dot right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that that's true for congress as well. and i think it's also important for americans to remember that politic has always been messy.
and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now in the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left-wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today. if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of you...
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and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of, you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they can't even accept what used to be considered centrist mainstream positions on these issues. now i remain optimistic. you know, i'm just a general optomist, that eventually people kind of see the light. you know, winston churchill used to say that we americans, you know, we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that that's true for congress as well. and i think it's also important for americans to remember t
and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication...
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disability treaty right in front of bob dole. this fiscal cliff, three budget standoffs. i mean, this congress has been uniquely atrocious. >> tom? >> the fact is the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts in which they are bulletproof. they only play to one constituency. there are no swing states. they don't go home and have a case because they've got a choir back home. and that's a huge part of the problem here. there's another reality in this town today. we need a lighter moment here. a lot of folks as i was coming into the office today said they have to get it done by kickoff time tonight. >> that's right. >> it's a good thing nbc moved the kickoff to primetime. it's very important. >> arguably, the redskins could clinch today. i think it's also important to go back to the president's argument, that, you know, you have to be able to say yes to something that's reasonable. charles krauthammer and other conservatives argued that he's effectively exposed big internal divisions in the republican party that they have yet to work out, whi
disability treaty right in front of bob dole. this fiscal cliff, three budget standoffs. i mean, this congress has been uniquely atrocious. >> tom? >> the fact is the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts in which they are bulletproof. they only play to one constituency. there are no swing states. they don't go home and have a case because they've got a choir back home. and that's a huge part of the problem here. there's another reality in this...
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cliff. >> all right. amman, aside from the impact on businesses, right, there's also this impact particularly on lower income americans. >> right. >> you have the payroll tax, which is scheduled also -- the payroll tax cut is scheduled to expire, which would increase taxes on people who are paying that from 4.2ers perz to 6.2%. . what impact would that have on individual spending? isn't that one of the more stimulating stacks cuts that was passed in 2009? >> that was designed as a short-term stimulus. people see that immediately in their paycheck, and the idea was nelled immediately go out and spend it. s people have been spending it. once that goes up, you will see less money in your paycheck as a result of the payroll tax cut not being extended this time around. both democrats and republicans agree not to extend it. neither party kind of likes that tax cut, but for different reasons. so for a lot of political reasons, that's not in this debate right now. that thing has been left aside, and we're talking
cliff. >> all right. amman, aside from the impact on businesses, right, there's also this impact particularly on lower income americans. >> right. >> you have the payroll tax, which is scheduled also -- the payroll tax cut is scheduled to expire, which would increase taxes on people who are paying that from 4.2ers perz to 6.2%. . what impact would that have on individual spending? isn't that one of the more stimulating stacks cuts that was passed in 2009? >> that was...
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but right now make no mistake about it, the fiscal cliff doubts in getting to january 1 without some kind of even a patchwork deal is what's driving the markets right now in negative territory. >> as we know, it's not a cliff, it's really a slope or series of steps as you're falling down them should a deal not come to pass here. is the drop that we've seen so far after plan b's failure, will we see yet more of the market reacting, a slow degradation of market performance? >> that depends on essentially if, for instance, a week from monday right now we're sitting here and it's almost a certainty that we're going to go over the cliff. i would argue that we could get more back to a cliff rather than slope analogy because it comes down to how swiftly does the market react in a negative way and how swiftly is the fallout on the overall u.s. economy. for example, we're getting reports from around the country that, number one, retailers have lowered their forecast on what the christmas shopping season is going to look like. we're hearing that one of our reporters who is out at a mall today
but right now make no mistake about it, the fiscal cliff doubts in getting to january 1 without some kind of even a patchwork deal is what's driving the markets right now in negative territory. >> as we know, it's not a cliff, it's really a slope or series of steps as you're falling down them should a deal not come to pass here. is the drop that we've seen so far after plan b's failure, will we see yet more of the market reacting, a slow degradation of market performance? >> that...
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and i think that the issue that we're dealing with right now on the fiscal cliff is a prime example of it. what i'm arguing for are maintaining tax cuts for 98% of americans. you know, i don't think anybody would consider that some liberal left wing agenda. that used to be considered a pretty mainstream republican agenda. and it's something that we can accomplish today if we simply allow for a vote in the senate and in the house to get it done. the fact that it's not happening is an indication of, you know, how far certain factions inside the republican party have gone where they can't even accept what used to be considered centrist mainstream positions on these issues. now i remain optimistic. you know, i'm just a general optimist, that eventually people kind of see the light. you know, winston churchill used to say that we americans, you know, we try every other option before we finally do the right thing. after everything else is exhausted, we eventually do the right thing. and i think that that's true for congress as well. and i think it's also important for americans to remember t
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there are still struggling americans, millions looking for work and what's the fiscal cliff mean for them? >> reporter: okay. we have unemployment at 7.7% last month and mainly went down because people gave up looking for work and jdropped out of th job market and out of work six months or longer. 4.8 million americans, they're the folks worried the most about unemployment benefits not extended after the first of the year. >> as we look at that number, that's staggering for so many. we have a "the washington post" poll that indicates 74% of americans support raising taxes on the top earners in this country. with that support there, the presidential mandate of re-election and the fact he ran on raising taxes if he was given a second term, why is there such this stalemate and trepidation in washington, d.c. to get a deal done? >> reporter: how many hours do we have? let me try it this way. there's a group of hard core tea party republicans but democrats say we won because as your poll shows most americans support the president's position on higher taxes on top earners and seemingly at
there are still struggling americans, millions looking for work and what's the fiscal cliff mean for them? >> reporter: okay. we have unemployment at 7.7% last month and mainly went down because people gave up looking for work and jdropped out of th job market and out of work six months or longer. 4.8 million americans, they're the folks worried the most about unemployment benefits not extended after the first of the year. >> as we look at that number, that's staggering for so many....
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if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than simpson bowles, and less than a quarter of what is in -- simply going over the fiscal cliff. i think the tax increases are too little. they are what they are. and it's
if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit...
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cliff and make no mistake about it. if we go over, god forbid and i still don't think we have to, the american people are going to blame the republican party and they'll come right back and pass something. so i don't think the middle class is at risk. if we go over the cliff, our republicans colleagues will come back and go uh-oh and pass the bill we passed in senate already. >> can check hagel become secretary of defense if he's the republican's nominee? >> a lot of republicans have asked hard questions. i don't think he's going to get many republicans votes. i like chuck but his positions are really out of the mainstream and well to the left of the president. i think it would be a challenging nominations but the hearings will matter. chuck will have a chance to defend himself. >> will you support him? >> i'm going to wait and see what happens in the hearings. i've got questions with chuck and iran, hamas and hezbollah, his position toward israel, just afghanistan. i want to hear what he has to say. but very troubling
cliff and make no mistake about it. if we go over, god forbid and i still don't think we have to, the american people are going to blame the republican party and they'll come right back and pass something. so i don't think the middle class is at risk. if we go over the cliff, our republicans colleagues will come back and go uh-oh and pass the bill we passed in senate already. >> can check hagel become secretary of defense if he's the republican's nominee? >> a lot of republicans...
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he was talking about the fiscal cliff. >> some of the leading voices this morning told me that, first of all, we are on fantasy island, and secondly, another leading voice said that everything that happens today is inconsequential. >> right. >> i will tell you, i don't think it is. i think it matters and i think everybody wants one thing, for washington to get it done, get a deal done! get a deal done! >> but this deal is only a precursor to the more important deal. >> yeah, well, at some point -- >> she wants you to get that one done, too. >> get it all done. >> at some point we're going to hurt ourselves very badly. we already have. well, if it's way too early, it's time for "morning joe," but now it's time for the fix. the fix is in for chuck todd and "the daily rundown." >>> the ball will drop in times square tonight at the stroke of midnight, but in washington, have lawmakers already dropped the ball? with less than 15 hours to go before the fiscal cliff deadline, the new year's countdown is taking on a whole new meaning. >>> health scare. just days before secretary of state hill
he was talking about the fiscal cliff. >> some of the leading voices this morning told me that, first of all, we are on fantasy island, and secondly, another leading voice said that everything that happens today is inconsequential. >> right. >> i will tell you, i don't think it is. i think it matters and i think everybody wants one thing, for washington to get it done, get a deal done! get a deal done! >> but this deal is only a precursor to the more important deal....
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tropical vacation for the hard reality of the fiscal cliff negotiations. the president called all four congressional leaders last night in an effort to reach a deal, but did that call fall on deaf ears? jared bernstein, former chief economist to vip biden, as well as a contributor. i want to start with the new statement from senator mitch mcconnell's office coming out says last night he called other lead serious. the leader is happy to review what the president has in mind, but to day date the majority has not put forward a plan. jared, is that good they're actually speaking, however far apart as it may sound, at least they're talking? >> it's a bit good. better to be talking than north. the unfortunate thing are the words they're saying. i don't hear much compromise or kind of conciliation in the statements we've heard thus far. i do hear a lot of theatrics, you go first, no you go first. it's strange to say the democrats haven't put forth any legislation on this, because in fact they have. in fact, a democratic majority in the senate passed a bill that's
tropical vacation for the hard reality of the fiscal cliff negotiations. the president called all four congressional leaders last night in an effort to reach a deal, but did that call fall on deaf ears? jared bernstein, former chief economist to vip biden, as well as a contributor. i want to start with the new statement from senator mitch mcconnell's office coming out says last night he called other lead serious. the leader is happy to review what the president has in mind, but to day date the...
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. >> as i was reading this morning, going off the fiscal cliff was a bungee jump. we go over and the markets collapse. it's amazing that's what we have to get to. >> here's what we know. washington only reacts when there is a crisis. jackie is right. the staff is working behind the scenes to get something done. there is no question about it, the president and congressional democrats have the upper hand and speaker baner is weakened by this. he only wants the plan b vote. he was only 20 votes short. those were folks that from an ideological standpoint are against raising any taxes whatsoever. it's less than a week and a half or so, a more mod ralt congress and they hope that the new folks that are coming into the congress will be a little bit more moderate and the process maybe will put something over the top. >> you have seen the stories about the death of the tea party and they don't have it as important as they did. >> they are very vocal. >> they are important when you have a system of government in the house where you have to pass things. the majority itself. t
. >> as i was reading this morning, going off the fiscal cliff was a bungee jump. we go over and the markets collapse. it's amazing that's what we have to get to. >> here's what we know. washington only reacts when there is a crisis. jackie is right. the staff is working behind the scenes to get something done. there is no question about it, the president and congressional democrats have the upper hand and speaker baner is weakened by this. he only wants the plan b vote. he was only...
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cliff, because you have some interesting reporting coming out right now. gop leaders had a phone call today. >> they are talking on a conference call, which is how they usually communicate when they are not in d.c., but they are strategizing on what to do. the open question right now for house republicans is do they bring the body back into session from between now and new year's eve? unclear, i don't know if they know what they are going to do. they told their members they'd get 48 hours notice, 48 hours notice now would put us somewhere between friday and saturday, going right into new year's eve. >> there's nothing to bring them back for. >> that's the problem, that's the problem. they said the senate is going to act first. the senate is not acting right now. they are doing a supplemental spending bill for hurricane sandy, they are upsiding the surveillance bill, they are not doing anything on the fiscal cliff. is it helpful to have john boehner have his members back in d.c. running their mouths and offering opinions to all us reporters, i think the ans
cliff, because you have some interesting reporting coming out right now. gop leaders had a phone call today. >> they are talking on a conference call, which is how they usually communicate when they are not in d.c., but they are strategizing on what to do. the open question right now for house republicans is do they bring the body back into session from between now and new year's eve? unclear, i don't know if they know what they are going to do. they told their members they'd get 48 hours...
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wel get to the fiscal cliff in just a moment. we understand that you've just gotten word that the president is actually getting updates on the condition of former president rw bush. what can you tell us about that sfl. >> that's right. according to a senior official, president obama has been kept up to date on the condition of former president bush. he is recovering. he spent christmas in the hospital. doctors kept him there after concern that his fever was increasing. now, the senior administration officials won't confirm who's updating president obama. karen, it's not unusual for a sitting president to be kept in the loop when this type of situation arouss. when a former president is ill. so we are being told he has been kept in the loop. and of course the entire white house watching quite closely and everyone hoping he makes a full recovery soon. doctors have said they are cautiously optimistic. that former president bush will recover. so everyone with the white house sharing that opinion. >> and our prayers are with him as i'
wel get to the fiscal cliff in just a moment. we understand that you've just gotten word that the president is actually getting updates on the condition of former president rw bush. what can you tell us about that sfl. >> that's right. according to a senior official, president obama has been kept up to date on the condition of former president bush. he is recovering. he spent christmas in the hospital. doctors kept him there after concern that his fever was increasing. now, the senior...
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to avert the fiscal cliff in sight. the president is cutting his vacation short, but the house is still in recess with no immediate plans to return. the ball is now in senate democrat's court and
to avert the fiscal cliff in sight. the president is cutting his vacation short, but the house is still in recess with no immediate plans to return. the ball is now in senate democrat's court and
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all right, chuck. we'll talk about guns in a minute. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are we going to get a deal here? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? does it change the president's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make a small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on millionaires. that means could you get it up from $400,000 to $750,000? a deal is within reach. he's got to figure out -- i think go one more time. they seem to have had it and they don't want to try boehner one more time but i think they're making a big mistake. is he? >> i think john boehner did the right thing. i was supportive of this plan 3w6. my frustration is with the democrats because the house republicans, our conscience is clear. in august we passed a bill to extend all of the tax rates. we did deal with the fiscal cliff issues. we have passed that. it's harry reid and the president
all right, chuck. we'll talk about guns in a minute. let's talk about the fiscal cliff. are we going to get a deal here? >> we're going to get a small deal. it's a shame. you wonder is the only thing that could change things, the holidays, does it change boehner's mind? does it change the president's mind? i think the president is making a mistake to make a small deal. he should try one more time for the big deal. you had nearly 200 house republicans about to vote to raise taxes on...
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the clot is located in a vein in the space between her brain and skull near her right ear. it did not cause a stroke or neurological damage. doctors say clinton should make a full recovery and she is making excellent progress. the blood clot is related to the concussion clinton suffered earlier this month. it was discovered during a follow-up exam sunday. >>> from amazing fireworks displays to ancient traditions to our favorite polar plunges. folks around the world marked the beginning of 2013 in their own unique way. kirk gregory takes us on a tour of all those crazy celebrations. >> reporter: the first major city to celebrate 2013 was auckland, new zealand. fireworks and boat horns rang in the new year. in australia, a seven-ton fireworks display dazzled hundreds of thousands in sydney. with an estimated 1 billion people watching on tv worldwide. a large crowd counted down to the new year in shanghai, china. while in tokyo, japan, buddhist monks rang bells to cleanse sins. nato soldiers serving in afghanistan took time to let loose and dance their way into 2013. nato has
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congress is expected to come back later this week as america gets closer to the fiscal cliff. some larrymakers are now calling for a small scale deal as a temporary fix. >> i think it's impossible to get any kind of grand bargain or comprehensive package. i think we're dealing right now with whether or not we can put off the increases in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with right now. >> the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> reporter: congress recessed after republicans rejected john boehner's compromise. he proposed letting tax cuts expire for those making over $1 million a year. other republicans say it's time for a deal. >> i agree with him. i don't think we ought to increase taxes on anyone. however, we're now at a point where we're not going to get what we think is right for our economy and our country. >> with congress coming back, the president will also reportedly cut short his holiday vacation in hawaii. democrats hope mr. obama will continue to fight for a complete agreement, not just a temporary patch. >> i definitely hope that
congress is expected to come back later this week as america gets closer to the fiscal cliff. some larrymakers are now calling for a small scale deal as a temporary fix. >> i think it's impossible to get any kind of grand bargain or comprehensive package. i think we're dealing right now with whether or not we can put off the increases in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with right now. >> the house will stand in recess subject to the call of the chair. >> reporter:...
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. >> it's just not right. it's just insanity. insanity. >> reporter: on capitol hill lawmakers address how to address this issue as they face another problem, another stalemate in fiscal cliff negotiations. >> our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff. >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. >> reporter: confidence at a minimum. lawmakers return from their holiday recess on thursday and when they do, they will have their work cut out for them. i'm danielle leigh. veronica. back to you. >> thank you so much. >>> the pentagon says the commanding officer of s.e.a.l. team 4 has died. joe w. price died saturday of what u.s. military officials are calling a non-combat related injury. they tell nbc news his death death is being investigated as a possible suicide. s.e.a.l. team 4 was part of a mission to train local afghan police to combat the taliban. >>> in the meantime, what's being called a possible insider attack, a civilian american advisor was killed by a woman wear
. >> it's just not right. it's just insanity. insanity. >> reporter: on capitol hill lawmakers address how to address this issue as they face another problem, another stalemate in fiscal cliff negotiations. >> our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff. >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. >> reporter: confidence at a minimum. lawmakers return from their holiday recess on thursday and when they do,...
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they were wrong. >> we are nowhere when it comes to the fiscal cliff talks. let me tell you what's going to happen today. speaker john boehner, the republican speaker, is going to try to pass what he calls his plan b, which would just simply address tax rates for those making a million dollars or more and that's it. >> john boehner walked away from the obama administration's third offer. a giant, giant compromise. so he didn't like it when they led. he didn't like the 2340eshing. he decided instead to chart his own course called plan b. plan b was supposed to show president obama that republicans had their own solution and instead of bothering with his offer they would just go ahead and pass their own plan without him. that was the idea, anyway. >> there is breaking news to report tonight out of washington. strange breaking news out of washington. within the last hour republican house speaker john boehner appears to have completely lost control of his own caucus. just about an hour ago john boehner was forced to pull his own plan off the floor because it turn
they were wrong. >> we are nowhere when it comes to the fiscal cliff talks. let me tell you what's going to happen today. speaker john boehner, the republican speaker, is going to try to pass what he calls his plan b, which would just simply address tax rates for those making a million dollars or more and that's it. >> john boehner walked away from the obama administration's third offer. a giant, giant compromise. so he didn't like it when they led. he didn't like the 2340eshing. he...
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problem, the fiscal cliff, but when we have the debt ceiling issue coming up the spending is going to be the issue that needs to ab dressed. >> i'm sorry. we have to leave it there. i apologize. a busy day. busy new year's eve. surprising or maybe not for many. we've been watching what is happening in washington, d.c. my thanks to all of you. hillary clinton hospitalized for a blood clot. but there is also good news for the secretary of state and it could mean something for 2016. but before we get to 2016, we need to finish this year, right? lots of people already gathering at times square to celebrate the new year. sorry. sore knee. blast of cold feels nice. why don't you use bengay zero degrees? it's the one you store in the freezer. same medicated pain reliever used by physical therapists. that's chilly. [ male announcer ] new bengay zero degrees. freeze and move on. >>> about 12 1/2 hours and counting now until we could fall off the so-called fiscal cliff. the house and senate are both in session. there are reports of progress in reaching a deal there. here is senator majority lea
problem, the fiscal cliff, but when we have the debt ceiling issue coming up the spending is going to be the issue that needs to ab dressed. >> i'm sorry. we have to leave it there. i apologize. a busy day. busy new year's eve. surprising or maybe not for many. we've been watching what is happening in washington, d.c. my thanks to all of you. hillary clinton hospitalized for a blood clot. but there is also good news for the secretary of state and it could mean something for 2016. but...
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. >> so a top story today, one of the ledges of the fiscal cliff, those automatic spending cuts that almost certainly are going to kick in. we don't see that being part of some last-second deal. hit the defense department. but the pentagon's real problem is not those cuts, but the ones that are going to be coming over the next decade. we talked to military contractors, top officials at the pentagon. they see a long period of downward decline. that after the war in afghanistan, there's going to be a period of austerity. they're calling it -- they have a term around the pentagon, a very graphic self-amputation as they cut back over the years. and this was one of the reasons that president obama had, at the top of his short list, the former republican senator, still a republican, chuck hagel of nebraska. he's somebody who's talked about the pentagon as being bloated, had very specific ideas about how to cut it. but mike, sam, the table, we're hearing that that trial balloon has been popped. that senator hagel has a possibility for secretary of defense, has really lost a lot of altitude.
. >> so a top story today, one of the ledges of the fiscal cliff, those automatic spending cuts that almost certainly are going to kick in. we don't see that being part of some last-second deal. hit the defense department. but the pentagon's real problem is not those cuts, but the ones that are going to be coming over the next decade. we talked to military contractors, top officials at the pentagon. they see a long period of downward decline. that after the war in afghanistan, there's...